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Hi, I’m Emily Ladau.
Kyle Khachadurian:
And I’m Kyle Khachadurian.
Emily Ladau:
And you’re listening to another episode of The Accessible Stall.
Kyle Khachadurian:
I know what we’re going to talk about today, Emily. We definitely didn’t do this. Why don’t you tell them?
Emily Ladau:
Well, you see, what had happened was we recorded most of an episode. Took us 15 minutes to get to the point anyway. Then something happened with Kyle unplugging his microphone. Is that what happened?
Kyle Khachadurian:
This microphone cable is so … If you could see how not connected to anything this microphone is, it’s hanging on for dear life by a thread. And I brushed it with my hand because I was gesticulating, and that was enough for it to break.
Emily Ladau:
Now, this might be an opportunity to say, have you considered supporting The Accessible Stall on Patreon so that Kyle can get a new microphone?
Kyle Khachadurian:
Because just $1 a month, yeah, there you go, ensures that this guy can buy a new microphone.
Emily Ladau:
And also, that all episodes of The Accessible Stall remain, what?
Kyle Khachadurian:
Accessible … That’s air horns.
Emily Ladau:
Cool sound effects.
Anyway, the episode that we just tried to record was initially about the fact that there are things that are technically funny when disabled people talk about them amongst themselves, but non-disabled people just find horrifying. 15 minutes into the episode, Kyle finally makes the point that I actually think I wanted to make and couldn’t really think of it, which is just that disabled people need to be comfortable with the uncomfortable.
So you were going to make a good point before we got cut off. Do you remember what it is? We can just start with that.
Kyle Khachadurian:
I was going to say that we tend to be chronic oversharers. All disabled people, I only speak for myself, she only speaks for herself, but I know a lot of disabled people, and I am disabled people-
Emily Ladau:
Hold on. Isn’t that that ironic that you said, I only speak for myself-
Kyle Khachadurian:
Yes.
Emily Ladau:
… but you were speaking for me?
Kyle Khachadurian:
I knew you were going to say that. I saw that from a mile away. I heard you say that in my thought. I heard it coming out of my mouth. It was like a sniper and it was deserved because that was really funny.
Emily Ladau:
Well, I just want to be so clear. I just want to be so clear, I don’t actually care. I just thought-
Kyle Khachadurian:
No, I know. I know. It was funny, but I just walked right into that.
Emily Ladau:
That was ableist.
Kyle Khachadurian:
I’m sure it was.
Emily Ladau:
I can’t walk.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Well, I walked into it, I said. I can walk.
Emily Ladau:
No, it’s still ableist. I’m not sure why, but it is.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Okay, fair enough.
Emily Ladau:
Do go on.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, we overshare a lot. And sometimes it’s great, but other times it’s a lot. I’ve been guilty of it.
Emily Ladau:
I thought you were going to say more, but alas … See, I wanted you to overshare. I wanted you to share more.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Oh, well, I don’t know. I feel like we’re very open about talking about things that others might deem as medical trauma, but we deem as everyday life. I find that we are very open about talking about things that people would consider to be intimate and personal details about our lives, but with each other, we are more open with each other. And obviously this depends on your relationship to the person you’re speaking with, but I feel like as a group, our ceiling for comfortability is much lower and I think that has a lot of benefits. I do think that there’s a point where it’s too much, but I know that I could walk up to someone with CP and within 10 minutes of meeting them be like, “So how do you put on pants?” I mean, I wouldn’t do that, but I could, you know?
Emily Ladau:
And it’s actually really funny that you say that because I was once asked by this guy in high school how I put my pants on and he was this non-disabled guy. And you want to hear two ironic things? Number one, he has a sister with a disability. Number two, he’s now a special education teacher.
Kyle Khachadurian:
He probably thinks about that like, “Oh, I shouldn’t have done that.”
Emily Ladau:
I really hope he thinks about that because anyway, what a stupid, annoying question. But I think at the time I was like, “I put them on like everybody else.” But if a disabled person asked me, I’d be like, “Well, you see, I throw them on the floor. And then I slide one foot in and then I slide the other foot in and then I do a little wiggle, and then I pull them partially up-
Kyle Khachadurian:
Do you actually?
Emily Ladau:
Yeah.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Is that a yes?
Emily Ladau:
Yes.
And then in order to actually pull them up, I can’t stand, so I have to lift one butt cheek and lift the other butt cheek. And the funny thing is, I’m doing it right now while I’m telling you as if I’m actually putting pants on. But I find pants mostly overrated, so I’ve started wearing dresses.
Kyle Khachadurian:
I agree, pants are overrated.
Emily Ladau:
How do you put your pants on?
Kyle Khachadurian:
I typically sit on the floor and I put in one leg at a time. I put in my right leg first because I like my life to be more difficult than it needs to be because that’s my better leg and my left leg has a hard time pointing straight. It’s a little … I can’t make that joke. But it has a hard time pointing straight and so it’s harder to put on, and so I get rug burn on my toes every day. But if I concentrate a lot, then I can straighten out my foot and then I can put it on. And then I lift my butt up and then I stand up. People who can put their pants on standing up, I’m like, dude, hell yeah. I envy you.
I just wanted to say before, I saw you make that face because I know you finished that joke I couldn’t make in my head, and so did everyone else listening to this. But what I wanted to say was, you can’t stand it. Do you ever say that when you’re like, I know you don’t really insult people, but if I were you, the urge to say, “Oh, I can’t stand you,” would be like, I don’t know if I’d be able to contain myself. I would be saying that to everyone who annoyed me.
Emily Ladau:
Oh, I think I constantly am like, “Oh, I can’t stand this.” And then I’m like, also, I just can’t stand. And also, also, you’re an ableist for walking in front of me.
Kyle Khachadurian:
I literally, I can hear us argue that. You’d be like, “I can’t stand you.” I’d be like, “You can’t stand anything. You can’t stand anywhere.” See?
Emily Ladau:
Well, no, exactly. But also, you could get away with that. If it was other people, I’d be really annoyed.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah. Of course I can stand you.
Emily Ladau:
I have very significant limitations with my jokes even with my partner. He knows my jokes now, but at first I think some of them were confounding to him. But now my big thing, it’s just like, I’m disabled. I am too disabled for that.
Kyle Khachadurian:
This is a bit oversharey.
Emily Ladau:
What?
Kyle Khachadurian:
I’ve never been in that situation, so this is cool to me to find this out. If I’m him and I’m not disabled, I would feel very awkward laughing and also not laughing at your jokes that are at your expense. How did that work? At what point did he feel comfortable? Obviously now, I’m sure it’s fine. But there must have been a gradual spectrum of acceptance on his and your part.
Emily Ladau:
Oh, totally. I think I had to give him permission in that I straight up told him, I’m going to say things about my disability and I’m going to joke about it, and I just need you to roll with that, you know? I guess pun intended. But now he knows my go-to is, I’m too disabled for that. So if I don’t want to do something, before I even say it, he’s just like, “I’m disabled.”
Kyle Khachadurian:
Aw. He knows.
Emily Ladau:
Yeah, but he’ll also say that when I’m like, “I can’t lean over to reach this thing and I don’t want to get up and move.” And he’ll just be like, “I’m disabled.” But he’s allowed to make that joke now because he knows exactly what’s going to come out.
Kyle Khachadurian:
I bet the first time he made that, he was like, “Here we go. Testing a boundary. This could end bad.”
Oh, that’s funny.
Emily Ladau:
Or in my house, all the time with my parents, we throw around the word cripple constantly.
Kyle Khachadurian:
You do more than I do. To me, that’s … it’s great. But to me, it’s like, oh, okay, these guys don’t like each other at all. But obviously, you do.
Emily Ladau:
Yeah, we can’t help it at this point. But also, my dad says it too. And it’s fine because he’s my dad. But if it was just another person, I would be like, “Are you joking? That was offensive.”
I don’t know. But I think in terms of the oversharing, which is what you were saying initially, the thing that comes to mind for me is that disabled people are just generally, a lot of us at least, I think, more comfortable talking about, I don’t know, gross, weird stuff.
Kyle Khachadurian:
You’re absolutely right. I try not to do it, but if I know someone will listen, oh, I will go.
I think too, I think a lot of disabled people, and I’m including myself as someone who used to be this way but has a podcast now, we’re hungry for personal experiences of little things in our lives that other people can relate to. You and I have this show. And before we had the show, we would do it to each other and we still do it to each other and we will do it to each other for the next 50 years. But my point is, a lot of people, I think, I’m not going to say they don’t have that, but for a lot of people who might not know as many disabled people, it’s just exciting. It’s like, “Oh, do you do this? Do you do this?” And I think that’s pretty cool, but I understand why that could feel and come off as oversharing, oversharey.
Emily Ladau:
Yeah, but for me, it’s the solidarity and the little things. I know you were talking about putting pants on, but a friend of mine texted me the other day just to be like, “Do you know how long it took me to put my sock on?” She just wanted to tell me how hard it was to put her sock on. And then after that she was like, “And then do you know how hard it was to put my shoe on after I put my sock on?” And I was like, “Oh, girl. I know.” I think I literally texted back, I would actually rather join a nudist colony at this point than get dressed in the morning.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Do you ever, while you’re getting dressed, speaking of oversharing, constantly, or do you occasionally find yourself in a funny position that if someone were to see you in the position that you’re in at that moment would look ridiculous? Because I do. The way that I put on clothes, every once in a while I’ll do something in a weird way that just makes it happen faster. And I’m like, man, if someone saw this, it would be like, wow, humans aren’t supposed to bend that way, or it just looks silly.
Emily Ladau:
When I get dressed in front of a mirror, I’m like, what?
Kyle Khachadurian:
What?
See, I didn’t know you were going to say that, but yeah, it is …
Emily Ladau:
Yeah, no, I’m like, that doesn’t look normal. Also, I do this thing with my arms where I can twist them all the way around like that.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Ooh. Ooh, I hate that. Ooh, I hate that. Ooh, no. Are you double-jointed?
Emily Ladau:
No, I think it’s just, I have weird elbow contractures and so that’s what happens instead of straightening my elbow. But the point is, sometimes I rest that way and then I’ll catch my appearance in a mirror and I’ll be like, oh, you don’t look normal.
Kyle Khachadurian:
I don’t think I’ve ever seen you rest … That would freak me out. Now that I know that it wouldn’t, but that is something.
Emily Ladau:
But you always say when you catch yourself walking …
Kyle Khachadurian:
Oh yeah, I’m like, “Who the hell is that guy?” It’s like, “Do I look like that? How does anyone talk to me?” It’s just like, I’m a monster. And I don’t even think I look particularly weird. I just don’t look at all like what I think I look like. So the difference there is like, oh, geez.
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Kyle Khachadurian:
You know, this wasn’t in the talking points, but their debit card is so cool. It has a notch on it so you can pick it out amongst all your other cards.
Emily Ladau:
That’s your favorite talking point about it.
Kyle Khachadurian:
I know, but it’s so good. I love it.
Emily Ladau:
It’s a good little access feature.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Here’s a debate that has been going back and forth on the internet recently that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but is related to doing things and I think we can relate to it disabledly. There apparently is a debate about which direction you face when you shower, toward the water or away from the water. And it’s one of those things that apparently the people who do it one way do not understand how anyone does it the other way. So I’m going to ask you, which direction do you face when you’re in the shower?
Emily Ladau:
Well, first of all, I use the handheld.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Okay. Well, nevermind.
Emily Ladau:
Second of all though, right now, this is an issue because, want to talk about oversharing? We’re going to talk about oversharing. Okay, so my shower at home, I like to, at my parents’ house home, I get in sliding from my wheelchair from my left side. Then when I moved to my apartment by myself, I was also able to slide in on my left side. Then-
Kyle Khachadurian:
Uh-oh.
Emily Ladau:
… when we moved to my new place, the water controls are on the wrong wall, but I am too disabled to slide in from my right side.
Kyle Khachadurian:
That’s how ingrained it is in you, that you say it’s on the wrong wall. It’s not on the opposite wall, it’s on the other wall. No, no, it’s wrong. They need to fix it.
Emily Ladau:
The wrong wall.
So now I still get in left side first, but I have to do this whole hokey-pokey turnaround, reach the controller, turn on the water, but I still use the handheld because I don’t like the water just aiming at me because I can’t move away from it.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, I guess.
Emily Ladau:
You know when you’re showering and then you want to get out of the flow of the water-
Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah.
Emily Ladau:
… and so then you take a step forward? Well, you know what? So-
Kyle Khachadurian:
You can’t take a step forward, yeah.
Emily Ladau:
This debate of the ableist. And I’m right, and everyone else is wrong.
Kyle Khachadurian:
My answer is, I face the water.
Emily Ladau:
Why?
Kyle Khachadurian:
I don’t know. If you face away from the water, it’s cold. I don’t know. That’s just, that’s the way I do it. Although, it’s funny when you say-
Emily Ladau:
Okay.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah? You got one?
Emily Ladau:
Go ahead. What’s funny? No, go ahead.
Kyle Khachadurian:
I realized the other day that I get into the shower the exact same way. I don’t do it particularly strangely, but I get in on the side that’s closer to the toilet. I don’t have a reason to do it, it’s just the way I did it the first time I did it. And I didn’t realize how dependent I was mentally on doing it that way until I had to get in the other way for some reason, I don’t remember. And I just, I did it and it’s not like it’s any harder because it’s not, but I just didn’t know what to do. I had to rewire my brain even though it’s just the same exact motion. I don’t know. It was very weird.
Emily Ladau:
Oh, see, for me, I have to … my body needs to do things the same way. Literally, if the toilet is facing the wrong way, I’m just like, oh, well, this ruined my whole day.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, just got to get a new bathroom.
Emily Ladau:
Well, the apartment that we saw when we were looking at apartments was facing one direction and then they were like, yeah, you’re going to get this exact same unit. And then the-
Kyle Khachadurian:
Oh, I bet you are.
Emily Ladau:
And then the unit’s facing the opposite direction. But that is the exact same unit, it’s just flipped. But who’s going to think about that?
Kyle Khachadurian:
Emily Ladau.
That would annoy me too, actually. I’m with you on that.
Emily Ladau:
It’s fine. I would say I’m over it, I’m not over it.
How did we get here? Right, because oversharing.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, oversharing. We do it.
Emily Ladau:
What are other things that you do weirdly?
Kyle Khachadurian:
Oh, I’m convinced that I do most things very strange. I don’t think that that’s actually true, but I cut my food weird. I use my non-dominant hand. That’s not the weirdest thing in the world, but I have gotten stares for it. I use my left hand even though I’m right-handed.
Emily Ladau:
Wait, so you hold your fork in your non-dominant hand, or your knife?
Kyle Khachadurian:
I hold my knife in my non-dominant hand.
Emily Ladau:
But I also hold my knife in my non-dominant.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, no, I think you’re correct. I agree. I think that’s right, but apparently you’re not supposed to. I don’t know. I’m not a proper dining person, but that is … Yeah, see?
Emily Ladau:
I’m making the motions that I [inaudible 00:19:49]
Kyle Khachadurian:
She’s miming. She’s never held a knife in her life.
What else do I do?
Emily Ladau:
I don’t eat with cutlery. What are you talking about?
Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah. No, she doesn’t. We have a little contraption. Put her food in a little bucket and strap it to her face.
Emily Ladau:
That’s brilliant.
Kyle Khachadurian:
That’s brilliant? You know why? Because you can work and eat at the same time.
Oh, man. What-
Emily Ladau:
[inaudible 00:20:21] what I would do.
Kyle Khachadurian:
I know.
What else do I do? I think I do get dressed funny.
Oh, I brush my teeth weird. I totally brush my teeth weird.
Emily Ladau:
Well, obviously you have to elaborate.
Kyle Khachadurian:
I will tell you, but it’s something that I don’t realize until I do. Like normal people, you take your toothbrush and you move your toothbrush up and down your teeth. I don’t. My hand is still and I move my head like a dope. I don’t know why I do that, but I literally-
Emily Ladau:
I think I do that too.
Kyle Khachadurian:
You’re weird too then. Most people straight up don’t do that. I don’t think it’s weird. I don’t think it’s weird, but it is.
Emily Ladau:
I think somebody once saw me putting on lip balm and instead of moving the lip balm, it’s easier for me to just move my head back and forth.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Oh, okay. I don’t do that. That, to me, is, I get it. I wouldn’t do that, but I understand.
Emily Ladau:
I also, when I need to do something with my right hand, I hold it up with my left hand.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Oh. Wait, why?
Emily Ladau:
Ever since I had surgery back in high school, I’ve just needed to support that arm-
Kyle Khachadurian:
Interesting.
Emily Ladau:
… when I’m doing something with it.
Kyle Khachadurian:
When I hold a cup of coffee that has a handle, I don’t use it. I hold it by the hot side. You know the side you’re specifically not supposed to … the side opposite the handle so that you don’t burn your hand? I’m like, no, I want my hands to be nice and toasty. So I hold it by that side and then I drink out of it. That’s not a disability thing.
Emily Ladau:
Is that actually why?
Kyle Khachadurian:
I don’t know why. I think so.
Emily Ladau:
What about trying to carry a cup of liquid?
Kyle Khachadurian:
Oh. Oh my God, I can’t do it. I am never more disabled than when I’m trying to carry a cup of liquid. Genuinely, I am never more disabled than when I’m trying to carry something. For whatever reason, I’m slightly better at carrying something with no lid than carrying something with a crappy lid. I think it’s because I can focus.
Emily Ladau:
Maybe because you are intentionally being more careful.
Kyle Khachadurian:
But every once in a while, the coffee shop by my apartment, I’ll say, “Hey, can I get a small cappuccino? Can you put it in a large cup because I’ll spill it.” And they’re like, “Yeah,” and then they don’t and then I do spill it.
Emily Ladau:
Did you hear Starbucks is becoming more accessible, apparently?
Kyle Khachadurian:
Cool.
Emily Ladau:
I don’t know. They made some framework for inclusion and they’re making their stores more accessible.
Kyle Khachadurian:
That sounds great. Let’s see if they do it. What’s on the list?
Emily Ladau:
Well, now I’m doing their PR here.
Kyle Khachadurian:
We all know that you’re a … No, are you a Starbucks girly? You’re not even a coffee person, are you?
Emily Ladau:
No. No. No.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Well, when you say, no, you’re not a Dunkin’ girly, right? You’re just like, you don’t do that?
Emily Ladau:
I’m not an anything girly. I’m a chai latte girly.
Updated point of sale with adjustable angle and customizable layout, voice assist, screen magnification, menu item images, customer order status boards, power-operated doors, optimized [inaudible 00:24:01] lighting-
Kyle Khachadurian:
Customer order status boards is going to be so … that’s going to be cool. I’m not a Starbucks guy-
Emily Ladau:
Yeah, I agree.
Kyle Khachadurian:
But that’s-
Emily Ladau:
I can’t hear anything and when people are like, “Emily,” I’m like, “I forget my name.”
Kyle Khachadurian:
I genuinely think this is totally off-topic, but we can relate this to accessibility. Starbucks is a hostile place if you’re disabled. It’s loud. It’s sensory overload. Everyone is screaming. There’s no cohesive flow of information or people. It’s just, I never want to go there. No offense. The drinks are fine. It’s got nothing to do with any of that. It’s just, oh, man.
Emily Ladau:
That’s actually very real. I don’t love going into Starbucks because I always feel like I’m overwhelmed and overloaded.
Kyle Khachadurian:
I feel like they don’t want me there. I feel like they just want me to leave.
Emily Ladau:
Also, there’s always one single bathroom and not multiple bathrooms stalls. And so if I have to go to a bathroom in a Starbucks, I feel very pressured because there is always a line for the bathroom, and that gives me so much anxiety.
Kyle Khachadurian:
As somebody with pee anxiety, I feel you. How’s that for oversharing?
Emily Ladau:
I used to have that.
Kyle Khachadurian:
I have it so much. I’ll never forget this one time in college, me and this dude were talking after class and we had to both go to the bathroom. So we both went to the bathroom and we both keep talking, and I just couldn’t. I was like, “Hey, bro, can you leave?” And he was like, “Are you serious?” I’m like, “I’m so serious.” He did, he was a cool guy, but I hated that.
Emily Ladau:
No, I had something very similar in the hospital right after surgery and they were like, “You’re going to need to pee with the curtain and a bunch of nurses around you.” And I was like, “Absolutely not. You will all leave right now.”
Kyle Khachadurian:
I literally, you don’t understand how much I cannot do that.
Being disabled is so weird.
Emily Ladau:
I’ve calmed down about that now.
Kyle Khachadurian:
I’d like to believe that I have. I doubt that I actually have.
Emily Ladau:
I don’t know, I say that now. Put me in a hospital.
Actually, yeah, no. When I was in the hospital when I broke my ankle the first time, I did not pee for a day.
Kyle Khachadurian:
When you peed the next day, was it just powder? I don’t understand.
Emily Ladau:
No, I disintegrated.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Oh, okay. Fair enough.
Emily Ladau:
Oh, man. What was the point of any of this?
Kyle Khachadurian:
The final takeaway is we started this episode like, “Hey, isn’t it funny how disabled people are oversharers? Anyway, let’s overshare for the next 28 minutes.” Don’t tell me you as a listener can’t relate. I know you can, especially if you’re disabled. Don’t sit there and lie. We know who our audience is.
Emily Ladau:
I actually genuinely think that these are the episodes where people are like, “Wow, I feel seen because nobody’s talking about this.”
Kyle Khachadurian:
I agree.
What the hell is that? Did you see that?
Emily Ladau:
I did.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Dear listener, a thumbs up just appeared on my screen. I don’t know how.
Emily Ladau:
Wait, my boyfriend was just complaining about this. He was saying that it shows up. He’s a therapist and sometimes it shows up during therapy.
Kyle Khachadurian:
That is so funny. Not if you’re him and-
Emily Ladau:
And it’s so distracting.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, I bet it is.
Okay, I’m sorry.
Emily Ladau:
He called me and he was like, “Can you help me try to fix this? Can we turn this off?” And I was like, “No, I’m really sorry.”
Kyle Khachadurian:
That is so distracting.
Emily Ladau:
It’s an Apple thing.
Kyle Khachadurian:
That is not smart.
Emily Ladau:
Wait, [inaudible 00:28:19]
Kyle Khachadurian:
Oh, wait. Okay, so she’s doing it on purpose and it’s not doing it. All I did was adjust my butt in this chair and it did do it.
Oh, she looks so happy right now.
Emily Ladau:
None of that worked.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Air quotes? I don’t know. I’ll never get to do it again.
Emily Ladau:
Okay, well, that was a moment of silence on the podcast, but it was me just dancing with my thumbs up.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, that’s exactly what she was doing.
Anyway, my final takeaway is, I don’t want to say it’s okay to overshare because you got to get somebody’s consent to do that, but I do think there’s value.
Emily Ladau:
Well, what if it’s about yourself?
Kyle Khachadurian:
Oh, no. Well, yeah, but someone might not want to hear it, but I do think it’s, you shouldn’t be afraid to.
Emily Ladau:
Oh, oh.
Kyle Khachadurian:
You shouldn’t be afraid to.
Emily Ladau:
I thought you meant you need to get consent to overshare about another person. I was like, just don’t do that.
Kyle Khachadurian:
No, no, no.
Emily Ladau:
You mean, you got to get someone else’s consent to tell them the thing.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah. I don’t mean you need someone’s consent to talk to them. Although, you should probably get that too. I mean, if you’re going to be very personal, you should probably make sure the person wants to hear it. But my point is, it’s like, I say that and I mean it, but then I do think there’s value in it if the person that you’re talking to is willing to hear you. You never know, you might have a shared experience that you don’t know about.
Emily Ladau:
I think for me, it’s just the solidarity of, oh, I’m not the only one who deals with this nonsense and I’m not the only one who has a hard time doing this. Or, this happened and this was funny and don’t you think this is funny? I don’t know.
Kyle Khachadurian:
I think there’s value in that. Also, being disabled is ridiculous. Oh my God. We’ve said this before, it’s exhausting.
Emily Ladau:
I would like to unsubscribe.
Kyle Khachadurian:
To being disabled?
Emily Ladau:
Yes.
That’s a whole other conversation. Have we talked about the fact that I just want to exist in the ether as a soul-
Kyle Khachadurian:
No.
Emily Ladau:
… with no body?
Kyle Khachadurian:
But perhaps we should.
Emily Ladau:
Okay, great. Next episode.
Kyle Khachadurian:
No, actually, you know what? You’re being funny, but I don’t know if we’ve ever discussed a cure for various things, but I’m firmly … I have done a 180 on cures. I used to be like, no way. Not for me. No, dog. Now I’m like, give it to me. I don’t care. Shoot me with a syringe of autism and 5G, just give me anything you got.
Emily Ladau:
I know. My body has had it. We’ll talk about that another time though, on the next episode of The Accessible Stall.
Kyle Khachadurian:
And might we say, you look great today. You just, mm, so good.
Emily Ladau:
Particularly you, Jimmy.
Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, Jimmy.
If your name is Jimmy and you heard this, can you comment or email us? Thanks, Jim.
Emily Ladau:
Thanks so much for listening.
Kyle Khachadurian:
See you next time.
Emily Ladau:
Bye.