Emily Ladau:
Hi, I’m Emily Ladau.

Kyle Khachadurian:
And I’m Kyle Khachadurian.

Emily Ladau:
And you’re listening to another episode of The Accessible Stall.

Kyle Khachadurian:
What are we going to talk about today, Emily? Are you mad about something?

Emily Ladau:
Okay, you called me out already. Yes, I am mad about something on the internet. And we had a whole different episode planned for today, but guess what, when Emily’s mad about something on the internet, we have to talk about it.

Kyle Khachadurian:
We need a segment, Emily is mad.

Emily Ladau:
I almost hear a little bit, the Jeopardy! sounds when the question is coming up. Anyway, look, I am really annoyed about something on the internet, we need to talk about it, I need to yell about it. But first actually, before I get mad, I just realized I wanted to shout out a disabled creator who brought me some joy.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Do it.

Emily Ladau:
Yeah, okay, I’m going to do it. So Bibipins, that’s B-I-B-I-P-I-N-S .com, and this is not sponsored, I’m just a super fan, makes these really cool enamel sliding pins, and there’s a whole variety of them. And because we are in the phase of my life where I just truly cannot be bothered, I bought one, it’s a little sliding scale, and it says (beep) given, and right now the little slider is on zero because that’s how many (beep) I give.

Kyle Khachadurian:
I like that you can adjust it though, for when you’re having days where you in fact do give a (beep) or two.

Emily Ladau:
Yeah. Sometimes I want to give 4.5 (beep) and I can do that. And so you should really go to bibipins.com and add a little happiness to your day. I’m serious, go support a disabled creator.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Anyway, back to the anger.

Emily Ladau:
Emily is mad on the internet.

Kyle Khachadurian:
What is she mad about?

Emily Ladau:
Look, I was on LinkedIn because I’m a nerd and I like LinkedIn, and anyway, there was some random guy who made this post that’s going low key viral about how working from home is going to make you fat and insecure and it’s bad for your physical health and your mental health. And then he goes on this whole rant about how it means that you’re more sedentary, so it means that you’re subject to all kinds of diseases and that it’s not good for work life balance. And you have nothing to look forward to because your home is “your prison.” And he judges people if they want to sit around in their PJs and their fluffy slippers, and then says that working from home is making you fat and unhappy. And as a work from homer, I have many things I would like to say about that, so let’s say some things about that.

Kyle Khachadurian:
First of all, I’d like to brag. You and I were working from home before it was cool.

Emily Ladau:
Right, I feel like we should point that out.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Now that all these people are out here with their (beep) takes on work from home, I just don’t agree with it.

Emily Ladau:
When did you start working from home?

Kyle Khachadurian:
Regularly, in 2016, at the end of 2016.

Emily Ladau:
Yeah, 2015 for me. Well, no, okay, so 2013 technically. Yeah, not 2015, 2013, what am I talking about?

Kyle Khachadurian:
You got me beat by a couple years. It’s great. I will say I’m not going to defend him, but I will say, for me, it has made my physical health worse, by virtue of the fact that I no longer have to go to my job. However, in literally every other way, including work life balance, my life has been nothing but improved by it, truly. I don’t even know what to say. I like working in my comfortable clothes, I like being able to sleep and then rolling out bed at 8:45 and making my hair presentable for Zoom. I like not having to come home and have the commute take an hour. I like being able to just go to my pantry and grab a snack. In fact, I think I’m legitimately more productive from home, I do, because I’m comfortable. Everyone works best when they’re comfortable and happy.

Emily Ladau:
I mean, I am 100% on board with all of that. And as someone who’s been working from home now for pretty much a decade, I can say that I have found it actually better for my physical health, because I’m able to eat on a schedule that works for me, I’m able to fit exercise into my day, I’m able to take breaks. Although if my family heard that, they would laugh at me because I don’t know what taking a break actually means.

Kyle Khachadurian:
I’ll laugh at you for them.

Emily Ladau:
The point is I am so tired, especially two and a half years into a pandemic, of people thinking that there’s any place for these work from home hot takes about how it’s so bad for you, because it’s completely ignoring all of the ways that it opens up work opportunities for disabled people. I originally started working from home all those years ago, because I wasn’t driving yet, and so it was out of necessity for me. I wanted to have a job and be able to earn money, but I wasn’t able to get from point A to point B because I was still working on adaptive driving lessons. And so work from home was an accessible option to me, and I’m really lucky that I had an employer who took a chance on that and that I had a multitude of employers after that, who gave me these opportunities. So I don’t take that for granted, but I just don’t think that I should have been such an anomaly. Why?

Kyle Khachadurian:
I do think that now the pandemic, that it has happened and still is happening, that the cat’s out of the bag and people can and should take it for granted because that toothpaste is out of the tube, as far as I’m concerned. You’re saying that you had a reason for working from home. My reason was that the company I worked for hired an adult and knew that I would do my job while not at work. That’s the thing for me, I hear what you’re saying, I agree with it 100%, but what I would say to the author of that LinkedIn post is, do you not trust your employees? Don’t you? Don’t you trust them to-

Emily Ladau:
That’s a good question.

Kyle Khachadurian:
… to get their work done. I understand, obviously too, that there are some jobs that you can’t work from home and obviously we support you guys, but we’re not talking about that. This is just somebody who can work from home and just thinks it’s the worst thing in the world.

Emily Ladau:
I also take more issue with the fact that he’s passing judgment on it, you don’t know my life, you don’t know how it works for me.

Kyle Khachadurian:
It might not work for you, but it works for tons of people, it definitely works for more people than it doesn’t. Have there been studies on this yet? I’m sure there will be in the coming years.

Emily Ladau:
I’m sure there have been. And look, I don’t know data here and I know that there are plenty of people who actually do prefer the structure of an office or an in person working space, and I also fully respect that, if that’s what works for you and for your needs, that’s great. For me, I feel most comfortable working from home because I know that I have the most accessible bathroom to me, I know that my kitchen is accessible to me, I know that I’m not going to encounter any transportation barriers because the elevator broke while I was commuting.
And I have been there, I have worked in offices for certain amounts of time and I would do a commute, and if the elevator was broken, I’d have to scramble to the next stop or I’d be stuck or I’d have to figure out alternative transportation. And I don’t think any of that makes somebody an effective employee because they’re so busy dealing with all of these extenuating circumstances. If I know that I have an accessible place to pee when I feel like it, I’m probably going to be a better employee. I don’t know, just a theory, not a scientist.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, it’s that simple.

Emily Ladau:
So I’m just real tired of people and their hot takes. And I guess we’re making an episode that’s a hot take about a hot take, but is it a hot take?

Kyle Khachadurian:
I don’t think so, not two years into this, although I would’ve said the same position years ago, but now that more people are doing it and especially now with the explosion of accessibility tools, and I don’t mean accessibility in the disability sense that we usually use it. I mean tools like Zoom, which I know is accessible to disabled people, but in the sense that it makes it possible to have meetings across the ocean, if you’re that far away or whatever. It’s just better. It’s just better. I don’t know how else to say it.

Emily Ladau:
I mean, I like being around people and the way that I kind of balanced working from home, pre pandemic, was I would travel and go to conferences, but then I was able to come home and decompress and not have to go into an office. And so I’m sort of this weird in between, I’m an ambivert, is the term that I’ve heard, an extroverted introvert or whatever, or an introverted extrovert. I think more introverted extrovert.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, I would say that. I’m a total introvert, so I don’t … But I will say one thing I don’t like working from home, to just sort of paint the picture, I’m not playing devil’s advocate, I still think he’s a clown, but I’ve noticed, not where I am now, but where I have been, that employers, when you work from home, sometimes do not respect work hours because they know you’re home anyway. You know what I mean? So if you work 9:00 to 5:00, it’s like, “Oh, I emailed you at 6:00. Why didn’t you answer?” It’s because it’s past 5:00. So that’s like-

Emily Ladau:
I respect that.

Kyle Khachadurian:
If I had to pick one complaint, that would be it, but that is not my life now and it hasn’t been for a while, so I’m not going to even … I’m just raising that to make a point, that’s it.

Emily Ladau:
See, I respect that you brought that up because that is always something that I have had trouble with. Although, I will say that I have learned, I work better later in the day.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Me too.

Emily Ladau:
And so I will get work done later in the day and the people who work with me know that I’m doing things, but I don’t expect them to answer me if I’m sending an email at 10 o’clock at night. It’s just that I’m doing it at a time that works for me and my brain and my body. And that’s kind of another thing that I like about working from home. I know you could argue that that’s not work life balance, and look, I’m the last person who should be talking about that because my work is kind of my life. But the point is that at least it’s my life in a way that works for me.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Right. I am not like you, however, I can definitely see merit in making your life revolve around your work in the way that you want it, to rather than in the way that your employer is forcing you to, by going somewhere at a certain time, at a certain … you know what I mean? So at my W2 job, we’re on the clock and we have to get work done, but which eight hours, unless there’s a deadline, that we get work done, really doesn’t matter. So if I, for some reason, have a burst of creativity, inspiration in the morning, I can wake up, do a bunch of work, clock out, clock back in later, again, deadline’s not withstanding, but like you said, you can do your work whenever you want. That’s another thing about working from home, you can’t do that in the office where you’re expected to be working all the time.

Emily Ladau:
I mean, I can see, and this is so hard for me, to admit all of the ways in which yeah, it can be bad for your mental health, if you’re not careful, and I fall into those traps all the time. So I just want to acknowledge that I’m not mad about having a conversation about needing to take care of yourself if you work from home, I’m really just mad at the presumption that anyone knows what’s best for anyone else.

Kyle Khachadurian:
But in your example, the conversation is surrounding your best practices to make sure that you stay healthy, rather than their conversation was centered around the point of WFH is dumb and you are dumb if you think it’s not dumb. That’s their point, which is not a conversation, it’s just an attack for no reason.

Emily Ladau:
Yeah. And also, I am so tired of how invisibleized disabled people are-

Kyle Khachadurian:
How what?

Emily Ladau:
… for these conversations. Invisibleized, is that a word?

Kyle Khachadurian:
It is now. I like that. I’ve never heard that word before.

Emily Ladau:
Please hold while I Google this to confirm if it’s a word, because I think do maybe I just made it up.

Kyle Khachadurian:
#Invisibleized@EmilyLadau. I agree though. I mean, even if it’s not a word, I know what it means and it’s annoying, frankly, how often-

Emily Ladau:
WordHippo says, it’s a word, okay?

Kyle Khachadurian:
WordHippo. They’ve made the world famous, Hippo’s Oxford Dictionary.

Emily Ladau:
And-

Kyle Khachadurian:
They’ve got a whole volume dedicated to kinds of lettuce. Oh, no. Wiktionary’s legit.

Emily Ladau:
And yourdictionary.com.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Okay. Well, there you go.

Emily Ladau:
And if you scroll down far enough, you’ll eventually get to Miriam Webster, which just shows you invisible.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Okay. But it is there, technically.

Emily Ladau:
Oh, nature.com uses it. Okay. Okay. All right.

Kyle Khachadurian:
All right. Okay. There you go. Yeah, it’s annoying how often we’re left out. It’s annoying that we’re not even thought about. Like look, I’m not saying that that should have ever been the case, but when the whole world figured out working from home was cool two and a half years ago, me and Emily did an episode about COVID and we laughed, and we said, “Oh, look, the abled are finally catching up. Isn’t that cute?” But now two and a half years later, I mean, it was never cute to leave us out, but now it’s really not cute. We didn’t invent working from home, but it’s way more advantageous for people like us, than the average worker who just doesn’t want to drive for a while. I’m not judging you if you’re that person, I’m just saying it matters more to us, just like most technological things do.

Emily Ladau:
And I feel like I have had this conversation so many times, in so many places, talking about the curb cut effect and how not everyone can get up a curb, but curb cuts can be accessible to everyone, whether you are riding on your hover board or pushing a stroller or rolling luggage or whatever the case may be, curb cuts are cool. And in a lot of ways, the pandemic has sucked, but it’s created all of these virtual curb cuts for people because it’s allowed people to do things like working from home and attending events from home. And I would be remiss if I didn’t acknowledge that there’s privilege in that too, because it means you have a reliable internet connection, it means you have an employer who gives you those accommodations, it means you have the type of job where that is feasible and you don’t have to be on the front lines.
So I understand that no, this is not possible for all disabled people. I also feel like it becomes less possible for disabled people when we have people like this clown on LinkedIn, being like, “Here’s all the reasons why I’m judging you for doing what works best for you.”

Kyle Khachadurian:
I understand your point, there is no one size fits all solution to disability employment. God, I wish there was, but then we’d probably be out of a job.

Emily Ladau:
I wouldn’t mind being out of a job if it meant that-

Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, seriously.

Emily Ladau:
… the world was inclusive, but do go one.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Absolutely right. No, I completely agree. But I think that it’s better, it surely increases the amount of disabled people that now can enter the workforce, if you allow working for home. Yes, there are people who can’t, for sure, and some of those people have really good reasons for not being able to, for sure, and yes, it’s a privilege, for sure. But at the end of the day, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if you still end up with way more disabled people working now than they were a pre pandemic, just because they can. If they’re somebody that has, I don’t know, some serious medical equipment at home that keeps them alive or something, then they can’t leave their house. Well, now they can stay there and work.

Emily Ladau:
Well, it’s interesting that you said more disabled people working, because I was just doing research earlier, so I pulled it back up. And according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, in 2021, 19.1% of people with disabilities were employed, up from 17.9% in 2020. Now don’t get too excited because-

Kyle Khachadurian:
I mean, that’s not a lot of people.

Emily Ladau:
No. And for comparison, nondisabled people, it was 63.7% were employed, up from 61.8%. So pathetic, please get it together, America.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, but those are more systemic issues, those aren’t because of the lack of WFH capability, that’s just ableism being what ableism is.

Emily Ladau:
Well, yeah. I mean, but I think it’s interesting that it did go up even a slight percentage. And I do wonder how much of that was because by 2021, working from home was becoming a more common thing and opened up some options for people. But what do I know, I’m not a labor statistic, data analyst.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Hey, but if you are, hit us up, because that’s something we’d love to know.

Emily Ladau:
You’re not kidding?

Kyle Khachadurian:
No, no, no. When I say that, I’m never kidding. I love when people reach out, man, I like it. But working for home is cool, I like working from home in my shorts and my t-shirt and my no shoes. I’m the most happy when I’m like that.

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Emily Ladau:
Hey, do you want to hear what else I’m mad about on the internet?

Kyle Khachadurian:
There’s more?

Emily Ladau:
Oh, of course, it’s me, there’s always more.

Kyle Khachadurian:
That’s true. I don’t know what I was thinking. What are you all also mad at, Emily? What else do you-

Emily Ladau:
I mean, actually, there’s really a multitude of things, but-

Kyle Khachadurian:
Give me your top three. That was number one, what’s your second one?

Emily Ladau:
Okay. My second one, well actually, can I give you my third one, and then my second one, if we’re ranking them? No, actually I should have given you the other one. Hold on. Okay.

Kyle Khachadurian:
What have I done?

Emily Ladau:
What is happening right now? If we are ranking what I am mad at on the internet, the work from home thing was actually number two.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Oh.

Emily Ladau:
I will tell you number one, and I will also tell you number three, but I will tell you number three first, because I think it requires less discussion.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Okay.

Emily Ladau:
Did anybody follow that?

Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, we’re there.

Emily Ladau:
Okay. So the thing, I’m not mad at this person per se, just frustrated, but I don’t really know where they were coming from, so I’m trying to be graceful and gentle about it. I posted something today for disability pride month and I used the term, disabled people and that’s the term I use. And someone literally, nothing else, just commented, people with disabilities. And I was like, “Sir-”

Kyle Khachadurian:
Shut up, people have their own preferred ways of referring to themselves. Shut up. If you’ve done any reading on the subject at all, you’d know that both schools of thought have valid points and that every single article worth reading says that it’s a personal choice. Shut up, I’m done.

Emily Ladau:
I mean, I was a lot nicer than that, but I was just feeling kind of salty because I was like, “Who are you sir, to come onto my post about disability pride and correct my language?” Why-

Kyle Khachadurian:
Okay. What’s number one? That’s just annoying, it’s like a thing in my brain. It’s just-

Emily Ladau:
But you can see, that’s not even really a thing that necessitates a ton of conversation because language is personal, case closed. This is number one actually.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, you’ve given me two and three.

Emily Ladau:
I can’t even keep track of my own ranking systems, so that should tell you where my brain is. But okay, I just need to admit that I recently downloaded TikTok.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Okay, nothing wrong with that.

Emily Ladau:
I don’t like it really, but there’s some stuff on there that I like. I overall still don’t really get it, I’m trying, whatever, I’m a curmudgeonly millennial. The point is I saw a screenshot from TikTok on Twitter, of a girl who is sitting curled up on her couch with a blanket over her, making this horrified face, looking at some kind of illustration of a baby that looks like it has a facial difference. And the caption says, me neglecting the special needs baby the government made me keep.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Okay, well, if we didn’t want to have that conversation, maybe Roe versus Wade should still be in law. So that’s on the people that voted against that, as far as I’m concerned.

Emily Ladau:
But I’m just so freaking tired of disabled people-

Kyle Khachadurian:
I agree, but there’s going to be a whole lot more of us now.

Emily Ladau:
And you know what, I’m fine with that. But also why do disabled people have to put up with this? I don’t want to be a pawn in your argument. And then there was another TikTok where it was a mom who was posting about her disabled baby and was making the point that the little walker that she was using, costs $6,500 or something and wasn’t covered by insurance. And so that’s what you’re dealing with, if you can’t abort a disabled baby. And I was like-

Kyle Khachadurian:
Hold on, I was with her until that. I was like, what’s the problem? And then you hit me with that.

Emily Ladau:
Yeah. That’s the problem.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Wait, how is that the conclusion you come to? That’s so stupid. That’s another clown. That person and the LinkedIn guy should have kids together.

Emily Ladau:
My God. Look, I understand that disability comes with financial burden, and I also understand that being pro-choice sometimes means that you really cannot afford a specific situation and abortion is the best option, but damn, do not use your kid to make that point. What are you doing?

Kyle Khachadurian:
That’s an argument for universal healthcare, not for aborting or not aborting babies. That’s gross, that’s disgusting, that’s all that is.

Emily Ladau:
So I just feel-

Kyle Khachadurian:
That’s a worthy number one.

Emily Ladau:
… mad and sad about a lot of things on the internet lately.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Won’t someone think of the disabled babies I want to so badly abort? Can’t you see what you’ve done? Now I can’t do that. It’s like, yeah, that’s not why it’s bad, but okay, go off, I guess.

Emily Ladau:
I did not intend for this to just be a what’s Emily mad at episode and I can-

Kyle Khachadurian:
It’s going to have a fun thumbnail.

Emily Ladau:
Yeah. You’re just going to be a graphic of me being angry, which is default mode when it comes to things on the internet.

Kyle Khachadurian:
I just don’t understand. And the other thing too, is-

Emily Ladau:
Any of it?

Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah. And if you’re a member of another marginalized group, I bet you feel this way. Okay, so this isn’t just us showing up late to the party, but why is it always disabled people?

Emily Ladau:
See, but actually when you realize that disability is also a part of every marginalized group, yeah, why is it always disabled people?

Kyle Khachadurian:
You know why, because it’s why is it as always disabled people, I think.

Emily Ladau:
Guys, I don’t have full ability to control my words right now.

Kyle Khachadurian:
This is how angry she is. This is a published author who’s been in the New York Times, several times, including in print. This is who Emily Ladau is, and she’s so angry that she cannot words.

Emily Ladau:
It’s also a little bit post COVID because I feel like I’m running out of air right now.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Oh, I feel bad I’m making fun of you. That’s right, I forgot you had it. My bad, I take that all back, but I’m leaving it in the episode.

Emily Ladau:
I didn’t think you were making fun of me. Well, I mean I did, but I didn’t really care.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Well, that’s gross, Emily. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I will now go stare at a wall.

Emily Ladau:
Could we talk about something happy for a few minutes? I realize we’ve been all over the place, but can we just be happy, is that even possible?

Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, it’s important to. I made some good burgers for dinner tonight.

Emily Ladau:
Oh, tell me about the burgers. I’m not even kidding, can we just completely talk about-

Kyle Khachadurian:
They had feta and red pepper jam on them.

Emily Ladau:
That sounds nice.

Kyle Khachadurian:
It was nice. Me and Courtney are into this new video game, it’s good, it’s a card game.

Emily Ladau:
Yeah. What is it?

Kyle Khachadurian:
It’s called Inscription. Totally recommend you should play it. It’s on sale on Steam, it’s the Steam summer sale right now, as we record this, it’ll be on sale for the next two days. Definitely recommend if you play video games.

Emily Ladau:
I love how you’re saying it’s going to be on sale for the next two days, like we’re going to get this out in the next two days.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, we’re not, but it was on sale for the next two days and it’s very good, and it was $15 and you should totally buy, it if you’re into card games that are also horror themed, which is, I know, a weird combination, but I promise you it works. It’s pretty good. Very good.

Emily Ladau:
Want to know what I did yesterday?

Kyle Khachadurian:
I would love nothing more than to know what you did yesterday.

Emily Ladau:
It was July 4th, and I don’t believe in that as a holiday.

Kyle Khachadurian:
You’re saying that like, I’m not religious, but it’s not that. It’s like, I’m not independent. Well, sorry, we can make that joke, because we are, because disability, but you know what I mean.

Emily Ladau:
Yeah. Anyway, so I had a friend of mine over and we made handmade, homemade pies, little mini pies. They were like little pockets, little pop tarts with mixed berries in them. And then every food that we ate, that our families ate, it was all pocket themed. So we had empanadas and we had samosas and we had pirogis and we were going to make pot stickers, but we had too much food and then we had pocket pies and it was all pockets.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Were the pies more like galette’s, or were they more like hamantaschen?

Emily Ladau:
No, they didn’t really have an opening on the top.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Oh, so it was like an Uncrustable?

Emily Ladau:
Like a toaster pastry.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Emily Ladau:
Yeah.

Kyle Khachadurian:
All right.

Emily Ladau:
Yeah.

Kyle Khachadurian:
What flavor?

Emily Ladau:
Raspberry, blueberry and strawberry. And it was delicious, and I highly recommend eating everything in the form of a pocket.

Kyle Khachadurian:
I completely agree, it literally makes every food better.

Emily Ladau:
And this was an absolute delight and an absolute joy, and I think that having little themed parties with your friend is really fun. So you know what, that had nothing to do with anything disability related, but man, when I am just mad at things, sometimes I really want to eat some pockets.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah. This has been another episode of The Accessible Stall.

Emily Ladau:
I don’t know what the point of any of this was, but it felt really good to complain.

Kyle Khachadurian:
If you want to support us, you can do so at patreon.com/theaccessiblestall, just $1 a month ensures that all current and future episodes of The Accessible Stall remain accessible, although we would like more if you’re willing and able. And might we say you look great today in your fancy schmancy, comfortable casual work from home outfit.

Emily Ladau:
I really hope there are fuzzy slippers or Crocs involved. You know what, I don’t care if you wear a Tiara to work from home, I don’t care if you work naked, I do not care if you work in full drag, you do you and I love you for that.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Heck yeah. See, this is what happens when Emily isn’t angry, she’s got two modes, wholesome as ever or angry at LinkedIn influencer. It’s like a dimmer switch.

Emily Ladau:
That really is me. See but usually … Wait, I know you were about to say bye, but I just wanted to say-

Kyle Khachadurian:
No, go ahead. Go ahead. I didn’t mean to interrupt you.

Emily Ladau:
Usually it’s the anger that brings out the wholesomeness.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Oh, so we need to make you angry then?

Emily Ladau:
No, because when I’m really mad at something, I want it to be okay, I want it to be right, I want people to feel loved. I don’t know what I’m talking about anymore, whatever, do you, I love you, you look fabulous. Thanks so much for listening.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Good night.

Emily Ladau:
This has been another episode. Bye-bye.

Kyle Khachadurian:
See you later.