Emily Ladau:
Hi, I am Emily Ladau.

Kyle Khachadurian:
And I am Kyle Khachadurian.

Emily Ladau:
And you’re listening to another episode of The Accessible Stall.

Kyle Khachadurian:
And I can’t believe we’re doing this again. What are we going to talk about today, Emily?

Emily Ladau:
Oh my gosh. Okay. So I realized five seconds before Kyle hit record that we have not podcasted since the election. And can I just tell you something for real? The real ones who have been listening for so many years, we started this podcast right before Trump situation part one, and now here we are in Trump situation part two. And I mean, first of all, we’ve been doing the podcast for that long. And second of all, I don’t know what timeline we’re living in, but I’m so over it.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Can you believe we’re doing this again? Let’s be so for real right now. What are we doing? Not you, Emily. You, the audience. Can you look at me and tell me what the heck we’re doing, please?

Emily Ladau:
I honestly, I have my head in my hands right now because I don’t know how else to respond anymore. And every day I keep reading more things that are just making me truly fearful for the lives of people that I care about.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Honestly, right.

Emily Ladau:
And I don’t feel like that’s over dramatic.

Kyle Khachadurian:
It’s not even close.

Emily Ladau:
You know what’s really bonkers to me right now? I mean, we had a topic that we were going to talk about and we’ll still talk about it, but the vaccine conversations. And I know that’s the tip of the garbage iceberg, but I cannot for the life of me understand Robert F. Kennedy and how he is being allowed anywhere near anything to do with medicine. And again, I know who we’re talking about here, but my current hang up is like he’s petitioning to get rid of the freaking polio vaccine.

Kyle Khachadurian:
It’s like the most accepted vaccine in the world. What kind of (censored) do you have to be? I… Oh, God.

Emily Ladau:
I’m worried about healthcare benefits. And also right now there’s an open comment period for people to engage on why we need to stop paying disabled people sub-minimum wage and-

Kyle Khachadurian:
Because they deserve to live.

Emily Ladau:
I can’t fathom that this administration is even trying to accomplish anything anymore because I’m just waiting for it all be undone.

Kyle Khachadurian:
No, they’re definitely not. I’m just saying as a rhetorical device to you that they should deserve to live. I also believe that to be clear that everyone else who’s listening, but like…

Emily Ladau:
Oh, no, of course. I’m just saying that I don’t have any glimmers of hope right now.

Kyle Khachadurian:
No, no way. No shot, no way.

Emily Ladau:
And I’m not even entirely sure what’s going to happen in the next month, but any work that’s being done is all just being shot to hell. And I have not fully processed it, to be honest with you.

Kyle Khachadurian:
No, I can’t believe he won.

Emily Ladau:
What did we say about this last time? I should go back.

Kyle Khachadurian:
We were apolitical last time he won, but we’re not anymore.

Emily Ladau:
I’m too jaded at this point. Last time I was like-

Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, (censored) that guy.

Emily Ladau:
Yeah, Women’s March, (censored). Oh, you got to bleep that. Sorry.

Kyle Khachadurian:
No, it’s all right. It’s okay. I already said (censored) that guy, which I will say again, (censored) that guy.

Emily Ladau:
Oh, man. You know what? I’m so sorry if you’re listening and you like Trump. Please hang up and dial another number.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, please don’t like Trump, honestly.

Emily Ladau:
What is wrong with you? I don’t want to make this whole episode about him because honestly, I’m sure he’s going to unleash enough hell in the next month or so that we’re going to have plenty of things to say.

Kyle Khachadurian:
I don’t doubt that.

Emily Ladau:
Also, before we get to today’s topic, because I swear for real, we have an actual topic, I also just want to acknowledge that I know we’ve been spotty with our recordings. But life has been happening and we haven’t forgotten about you guys.

Kyle Khachadurian:
No, we love you.

Emily Ladau:
Yeah, we do. And you do look great today. We’re saying it early.

Kyle Khachadurian:
You do. Yeah. We’re saying it early again.

Emily Ladau:
There’s just some stuff, there’s some stuff.

Kyle Khachadurian:
There’s a lot of stuff.

Emily Ladau:
And so we’re navigating this stuff and it’s going to be fine.

Kyle Khachadurian:
We’ll get through it, you and us together.

Emily Ladau:
Yes. Okay. What are we going to talk about today, Kyle?

Kyle Khachadurian:
We’re going to talk about new disabled people learning about how to be disabled, I think.

Emily Ladau:
Do you know what’s kind of funny?

Kyle Khachadurian:
What’s that?

Emily Ladau:
I know this is not the intention, but when you say new disabled people, it makes me think of the old guard of disabled people and then the new disabled people, so we’re the modern movement. I don’t know.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Where would you put yourself?

Emily Ladau:
I feel like I’m somewhere in the middle because I’m like a grandma and also still a youth.

Kyle Khachadurian:
That actually… For those who don’t know Emily, I’m just going to tell you that’s a hundred percent true.

Emily Ladau:
But what Kyle actually was getting at is this idea that people acquire disabilities. And obviously this is not a revolutionary idea here, but what we’re saying is that someone who’s born with their disability very often engages with disability as a concept and as an identity much differently than someone who becomes disabled or acquires a disability later in life. And so, Kyle, you had, I guess, a bit of an encounter or a [inaudible 00:07:07].

Kyle Khachadurian:
I did.

Emily Ladau:
Or where did this come from?

Kyle Khachadurian:
I was in a room with somebody who had just recently acquired a disability, and they, it’s legit, their disability was legit, but they clearly had not had the education, so to speak, that we had had by being born this way. So they used a lot of words and things that we wouldn’t use. Like they used the M slur and the… They didn’t use the R slur, but still the M slur is a little bit like that’s on the border for me. It’s like if you don’t know, I’ll tell you, but if you do know, then you shouldn’t use it in the first place. Whereas for example, with the R slur, I’m like, oh, you should never use that. Right?
And I got to the point where I was like, “Hey, dude, how long have you been disabled?” And they said, “Three weeks.” And I was like, “Oh, okay. Okay, three weeks. All right. Listen, don’t say these things.” Right? And I just felt weird about it because on the one hand, they’re new so they didn’t know not to use those things. And also, I’m not an M slur and I’m not a wheelchair user, so it’s not really my fight. But it’s also like this whole disability is my fight. So at the same time it’s like, hey, don’t say these things and also welcome, but don’t do it this way. It felt very weird to say.

Emily Ladau:
Okay, I have so many thoughts because first of all, I thought that this was more like newly disabled person calls themselves special needs or handicapable?

Kyle Khachadurian:
No, no. Yeah, yeah. No, it’s not like that.

Emily Ladau:
I didn’t realize that it was a person using highly inappropriate language. And I get that it’s kind of a thing that disabled people would know. But also, isn’t this just kind of a thing that human beings are supposed to know at this point? I’ll give you that people don’t really know that the M word is a slur, although they should but…

Kyle Khachadurian:
Look, I mean, I’ve been in a situation where I’ve had little people in my life tell me, “I don’t care what you call me,” but I realize that they’re probably a minority and that that’s probably regarded generally as a slur in their world. And it’s not my fight.

Emily Ladau:
Right. But is that knowledge beyond the little person community?

Kyle Khachadurian:
I mean, yes, because we know it. Right?

Emily Ladau:
Right. But is that because we’re disabled?

Kyle Khachadurian:
I think so though, because otherwise, why would the person that I met think that if they newly acquired their disability?

Emily Ladau:
Yeah. So I wonder how much of the knowledge that we have, okay, maybe I’m shifting what I thought this episode was about entirely. Because I think that so often I encounter disabled people who just assume that non-disabled people or I guess newly disabled people in this case are just supposed to know the right thing to do and the right thing to say. And I feel like, yes, it would be great if we lived in a world where that was true. And also it’s a super unrealistic expectation. I just don’t think that most people are thinking about things as deeply as people who are in this disability advocacy bubble. So I’m not going to give people a pass, but I am going to say it’s not unexpected if you don’t know because you’re not surrounded by it.

Kyle Khachadurian:
No, and that’s the thing, it taught me a little bit about myself. Because I erroneously assume, oh, you’re disabled, you already obviously know all this crap, but you don’t. And you’re very new to this, and that’s why you’re saying that, because you don’t know that it’s not exactly the right thing to say.

Emily Ladau:
Hold on. I have a nosy question, and I’m trying to think of how to pose this without violating somebody’s privacy. But was it a newly acquired diagnosis or an injury?

Kyle Khachadurian:
According to them, it was a newly acquired diagnosis. But this person is no longer in my life. This is someone I only met once.

Emily Ladau:
Sure. And I mean, again, nobody owes that information. But the reason that I’m asking is because, again, what I had in my head initially was you met someone who acquired a disability a few years ago or a year ago and was still grappling with it and just didn’t have the language to talk about it. And so to me, I feel like that’s a different thing, not knowing how to communicate about yourself and your own disability versus learning about harmful language. Do you know what I mean?

Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah. And that’s the conversation that I had with them. You don’t know that it’s wrong to say the M word. But you know what’s funny is that they did know it was wrong to say the R word. So I guess it’s on a different level. To me, it’s not really. They’re all the same, slurs to slurs, but yeah.

Emily Ladau:
Yeah. But I think that one has become much more common knowledge and unfortunately, whereas the R word has fallen out of favor in much of pop culture, I don’t think that’s true of the M word yet.

Kyle Khachadurian:
No, it’s not. In fact, I think I have a feeling that for anyone who’s not disabled in our audience, us calling it the M word might be a little strange. Unless you’re disabled yourself, then you know.

Emily Ladau:
Or maybe they don’t. I mean, that’s the thing. I remember when my book came out and I talked about not using disability slurs. But the thing is that I had to actually write out the slur in my book in order to explain what I was talking about. And there was somebody who went on a tweet tirade towards me about how dare I use that language in my book. And I was like, my friend, there is no other way for me to explain to you what a problematic word is other than to use it insofar as to say don’t use it.

Kyle Khachadurian:
I don’t think that’s the same thing as using it though. And I believed that at the time, and I believe it even more now.

Emily Ladau:
Well, they were mad because not only did I write it once, but then I gave an example of how somebody used the word inappropriately. And so they said I was basically doubling down. And I was like, no, I was giving an example.

Kyle Khachadurian:
I take the point. I’m not disagreeing, but nah. Yeah, no. Using something in context of saying not to use it is not the same as using it regularly.

Emily Ladau:
For sure. And I mean obviously I have my limits. There are words that I will not say no matter what. But in the case of disability slurs, I needed to explain what they were and why you don’t say them.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Because if you don’t know that the R word or the M word is bad, then how are you going to-

Emily Ladau:
Also what if you don’t know what they are?

Kyle Khachadurian:
Oh, that’s true too. I didn’t even think of that. That’s how inundated into this world I am.

Emily Ladau:
Right. Well, that’s what I was thinking. So anyway, yeah. I’m so curious, how did this person respond to you, if you’re able to share? Because I’ve had language conversations with people, especially disabled people, where they get quite defensive.

Kyle Khachadurian:
I didn’t really get the opportunity to ask them. They were very newly disabled, like months into their diagnosis. And so they didn’t use the R word. And that’s the other thing too. It was so weird because it was like, okay, you know that’s bad, but the M word is fine I guess. And it’s not my fight. It’s all one fight at some point. So to me, the fact that they drew the line between the R word and the M word to me is interesting because I would not do either because I’m a disabled person. You know what I mean?

Emily Ladau:
Do you know what makes me laugh?

Kyle Khachadurian:
What’s that?

Emily Ladau:
I feel like I’m the type of person who’s like, it’s all one fight, but you’re the one who’s doing that tonight. And obviously I agree, even though we all have different fights within that.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, not really my fight, but at the end of the day, we’re all disabled, I go up to bat for us.

Emily Ladau:
Yeah. And it’s just funny because I feel like I’m more the type of person who’s like, let’s all hold hands and be one, and you’re less like that. But I think tonight that’s your vibe. Although obviously-

Kyle Khachadurian:
No, no, tonight it’s definitely my vibe.

Emily Ladau:
I care about that deeply too. But the other thing that was interesting is that you posted about this on Facebook just to get a vibe check on what other people thought. And of course my mom was like, “This would make a great podcast episode.” And then you were like, “Who did you think I messaged?” But also people had some interesting responses. Because I think your question was do you give someone a free pass. Right?

Kyle Khachadurian:
Pretty much. It’s not the free pass. It’s more like how much grace do you give them? Because this particular person was new to the world of disability. They had been able-bodied up until just now. And so I get that you give them grace, but at what point do you stop giving them grace? And they’d only been disabled for three months as far as they were concerned.

Emily Ladau:
Oh, you said three weeks before. So it’s months?

Kyle Khachadurian:
Oh, did I say… It was three weeks. If I said three weeks, it was three weeks.

Emily Ladau:
Oh, okay. I was like three weeks. I was like, what a baby. No. But this goes back to what I was thinking before about how we just expect people to know things. And I’m not sure by what osmotic property people just absorb all of this information about disability. And I do think that things like what’s a slur should be common knowledge. And I must have said this before. But I grew up not knowing so much about the world around me, and this was in spite of having a disability. I was in a very white Italian Irish Catholic bubble, and I’m over here a disabled Jew, and I’m just acquiring the knowledge and the communication of the people around me who are not teaching me anything about what it means to be something other than what they are, which is straight white Catholic folks. And I think over time, I just came to learn so much about what I was doing and saying that was wrong.
I graduated high school, graduated college, did an internship program, and met someone who I understood was openly trans. But I hadn’t met someone before who was openly trans. And I absolutely misgendered that person. And I regret that deeply. And I don’t like admitting it, but I’m saying it because I learned that the hard way. I learned the hard way what was inappropriate about that. And I think that’s probably very true of people and their language around disability. You don’t know until you know. Once you know, I’m not giving you a pass anymore. But you don’t know until you know.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Oh my God, speaking of, because you brought up a trans person, I have a confession to make. He won’t mind that I am saying this. But when my best friend came out to me as trans, they were not out publicly, but they were on Facebook. And it was back at the time when Facebook used to tell you every single thing every single one of your friends did on Facebook. And so it was like, oh, so-and-so updated his profile picture. And I screen-shotted it, and I was like, “Yo, Facebook thinks you’re a boy.” And he was like, “How funny.” And then three hours later he was like, “I have to tell you something.” I was like, “Oh, (censored).” And he’s never let me live that down to this day.

Emily Ladau:
I definitely heard this before.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah, I don’t deserve to that be let to be lived down, to be clear. But it was so funny. It’s so not what I would do, but I did it. And he was like, “You (censored).”

Emily Ladau:
Right. But that was like (censored) is not a good word either.

Kyle Khachadurian:
I’m going to censor it. That’s not the M word we’re talking about.

Emily Ladau:
That’s not the M word. Oh my God. But it’s still not a nice word. Oh, so yeah, but you don’t know until you know. That was the point that I was trying to make. And I’m not proud of it, but I also, I’m not going to go around acting like I’m perfect and had all this knowledge about disability and about communication and about what’s appropriate and not appropriate because I only learned by bumbling my way through and making mistakes and getting out of my sad little bubble that I grew up in. And I’m grateful for that, but I’m sure that there were times that I was defensive. And there’s definitely still times when I feel defensive if somebody calls me out on something. But I would rather someone have a conversation with me. And I’m glad that you had that conversation with that person. And I mean, I know you said they’re not in your life anymore, but I hope that they will think about it.

Kyle Khachadurian:
But in contrast, there’s another person who’s not in my life anymore who identified as autistic. I didn’t know that at the time. But they were very cool about disability. They were cool about me. And it’s just like that person, this person did not know anything about disability, and yet they were like, they already knew, even though they were not part of that world at all, except for the fact they identified as autistic. So the contrast between someone who is like, hello, I’m new to this world, and the contrast of someone who is like, I’m not part of this world, but I am autistic, was very strange to me. Interesting though, makes for a good podcast topic. You know?

Emily Ladau:
Yeah. It’s super person dependent, honestly. I think that some people are just so mired in social justice conversation in general. And there’s actually a website turned book that I really like called Conscious Style Guide.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Nice.

Emily Ladau:
And I actually blurbed the book, so I guess I’m being a shill for it, but whatever, not compensated. I think it’s a great resource. And the writer talks about the fact that it’s not so much language rules as it is about being conscious of how we use language, in what context, and how we are conveying specific meaning with our language. And I think that for me, that’s what I’m always paying attention to is what is your intention. I know that some people say impact matters regardless of intention, but I believe that intention affects the impact greatly. And I’m willing to give people that grace and hold that space for people to make mistakes in ways that I don’t see a lot of other people doing. I’m not saying I’m holier than thou here. I’m just saying because I’ve F’ed up so many times, I want to be more thoughtful about giving people grace.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah. I thought about giving them grace. I tried. I was not very good at it.

Emily Ladau:
No, you can have a conversation. That can still be giving grace.

Kyle Khachadurian:
I mean, how many times do you have to say like, “Hey, don’t say (censored)?” If you say it more than once, it’s like… Once, it’s like, yeah, it’s, I mean, fine. But it’s like once, it’s fine. It’s like, all right, you made a mistake. Twice, it’s like, dude, come on, man. I don’t care how new you are to this. Don’t do that. It’s not even my fight. But at some point it’s like we’re all disabled. Right?

Emily Ladau:
Yeah. I am thinking about language and how these kinds of conversations are totally going to be derailed in a month.

Kyle Khachadurian:
I don’t know. I don’t know what it takes to convince people not to say a certain word.

Emily Ladau:
Are you saying we need better PR people?

Kyle Khachadurian:
I think disability has pretty decent PR as far as what words not to say. But yeah, I do. I don’t know. I think it’s very difficult. I don’t think it should be. I don’t think it is as a disabled person. But I think if you’re new to the fold, it’s kind of weird not to say what we think of as slurs. I mean, I don’t know. Slurs are slurs to me, so it’s really easy not to say them. But if you’re new, it’s like, oh, I’ve been saying this word my whole life. How hard could it be not to say it? And it’s like, I don’t know. It’s really easy in my opinion not to say a slur word.

Emily Ladau:
What about identifying words, not slur words? Because I was referencing this in the beginning, but I’m still thinking about it. The people who are just like, yeah, I am handicapped.

Kyle Khachadurian:
So it’s funny you say that because I have a funny, I have a hard time, I don’t like correcting people for self-identifying a certain way. That just seems really rude to do.

Emily Ladau:
I agree.

Kyle Khachadurian:
At the same time, I’m like, hey, I don’t know if you know this, but you could say so many other things. I don’t want to correct you. I just want to let you know there are other options. It’s just one of those things like, oh, handicapped. Okay, that’s an interesting choice. How about you choose one of these seven options?

Emily Ladau:
I also cannot get over my own cringe when people say I’m wheelchair-bound. I’m like, why, why are you saying this?

Kyle Khachadurian:
Oh, Jesus. It’s like, this is how I move. You don’t say you’re leg-bound, bro. Come on, stop.

Emily Ladau:
And I don’t want to be mean and judgy, and I am being a little bit judgy here, but I think that so much of this language disparity is like it’s generational and it’s rooted in just the not knowing about disability. And honestly, when someone becomes disabled, whether by an accident or acquiring a diagnosis or an illness or whatever, this is just occurring to me now, but probably the last thing that they’re going to want to talk about is language. We’re all over here, say the word disabled and you should know these things. And they’re probably just like, I am trying to navigate an entirely new part of my life, and I have bigger problems.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Oh, completely. Yeah, no, I do not envy people who are new to this world. I often say, I said this to someone recently, I’ve had my whole life to deal with this. You’re what, two years into it? I can’t imagine what it’s like. It’s an entirely different world. And insofar as that, I give them grace. But you could also just not say the R word.

Emily Ladau:
Oh, totally. Yeah. I mean, nothing I’ve said is intended to be a defense of anyone. I’m just thinking through the process of coming to terms with your own identity and then coming to terms with being part of a group and a community, and then understanding the norms of that group and what’s culturally acceptable and okay. But yeah, I don’t know. This one is one I’m going to be thinking about for a while because language is really deeply personal.

Kyle Khachadurian:
For some reason, unlike racial slurs, I feel like disability slurs are kind of like, well, if you don’t know, you don’t know. So now you know, so now after this point, you can’t say them. Unlike racial slurs, which are like, oh, you should have already known them before you ever even thought of them. You know what I mean?

Emily Ladau:
Yeah. My hope is that it would become so ingrained that people would just understand what’s not okay to say. But I think the other thing is that some people are just brought up around people who use horrible words all the time [inaudible 00:30:15] and they think it’s acceptable.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Absolutely. And if you don’t know, you don’t know. But once you know, then stop.

Emily Ladau:
The more you know. Was that your final takeaway? Do you have another final takeaway?

Kyle Khachadurian:
I mean, my final… Well, I mean it’s complicated. But don’t say slurs is my final takeaway.

Emily Ladau:
Oh my God.

Kyle Khachadurian:
That’s not that complicated.

Emily Ladau:
My final takeaway is that language is complex, but insulting people and harming people is not. Stop doing it.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Cool.

Emily Ladau:
Anyway, so this has been another episode of The Accessible Stall under Trump’s America. Come back. Have a beautiful holiday season. In case people can’t tell, we are tired.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Very tired.

Emily Ladau:
I think we must have said this. Did we say this in the previous episode? Whatever. The world is in shambles. Okay.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Yeah. We’ll be all right. You’ll be all right. You look so beautiful today, by the way, FYI

Emily Ladau:
I think you all look so fabulous. I would like to reinforce this. I particularly like the outfit you’re wearing. And if you’re naked, live your best life.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Hell yeah.

Emily Ladau:
Do you think people listen to us in the shower or something?

Kyle Khachadurian:
I hope so. I listen to us in the shower. And then I hear all the mistakes that I didn’t edit out actually that no one else but me notices.

Emily Ladau:
Oh, God. This has gone off the rails and I don’t care. Yeah, sometimes the shower is the good place to listen to a podcast. But I do like to listen to us. And then I’m like, oh, we said that, oh, we said that? And then I have a conversation with myself and with you, like the podcast after the podcast in my head.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Sometimes I’m like, when someone asks me if, what do you mean when you said XYZ in episode XYZ? I’m like, I don’t know, man. If it’s something good, I agree with it. If it’s something you disagree with, I’m sorry.

Emily Ladau:
Oh, yeah. Goodness knows what’s come out of my mouth in the past almost decade.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Uh-huh.

Emily Ladau:
What was that? What’d you just drink?

Kyle Khachadurian:
A stout. Gingerbread stout for the holiday season.

Emily Ladau:
Oh, wow. This is so festive in merry. I made latkes tonight.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Dude, really?

Emily Ladau:
Yeah.

Kyle Khachadurian:
I need your latke recipe. I need to make it.

Emily Ladau:
Okay, for sure, will send. Here’s the thing. I am a hot mess in the kitchen, but I fried these latkes perfectly. It’s not Hanukkah yet, by the way, but we were just doing an early Hanukkah celebration. And I would just like to say I am extremely proud of myself because I’m super disabled and I made damn good latkes. Don’t you tell me that I’m perpetuating inspiration porn right now. Let me have my moment. So good. Gingerbread stout, so festive. I don’t like stout. I don’t like Guinness.

Kyle Khachadurian:
I love stout. It’s my favorite beer.

Emily Ladau:
It looks like you’re drinking tar.

Kyle Khachadurian:
It’s, yes.

Emily Ladau:
Okay, friends and family.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Love you, mom.

Emily Ladau:
Tell us what you’re doing for the holidays. Tell us what you’re wearing for the holidays.

Kyle Khachadurian:
Nothing, right? Right?

Emily Ladau:
Did you know that just $1 a month can make this nonsense accessible?

Kyle Khachadurian:
Because if you didn’t, if you go to Patreon.com/TheAccessableStall, you’re going to love what you find. Just $1 a month makes it accessible. And holy (censored), you’re going to have a great time. If you’re willing and able, please give it to us, money. It’s the best holiday gift you can give us. And we love you.

Emily Ladau:
Oh, yeah. Give us a gift for the holidays. But it’s not really giving us a gift. We don’t pay ourselves for this podcast.

Kyle Khachadurian:
No, we really… Yeah. I feel like people think we make that up, but it’s actually true. It literally goes all to transcripts.

Emily Ladau:
And your dollar ensures that whatever other bananas is coming out of our mouth at this exact moment will be accessible to everyone. And don’t you want to facilitate that?

Kyle Khachadurian:
I do.

Emily Ladau:
I also, I do want to facilitate that. So all right, we’ve blown 10 minutes saying absolutely nothing. I love you all so much. Thank you for listening.

Kyle Khachadurian:
The Accessible Stall. Goodbye.

Emily Ladau:
Bye.